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Do not play long. Not going to try to argue here because both our opinions are already decided but I think your position is WAY out there. BB code is On. The others are simply further uses of brain power. Counting is merely exploiting the nature of the game, dependent trials within the deck. Team play is taking it a step further in an attempt to exploit the casino. Casinos introduced continuous shufflers into the game. Originally Posted by WaKtickets. Jones Find More Posts by Mr. My fellow counters won't like my reasoning, I am sure. It might be a way of treading water whilsts looking for other profitable opportunities: dealer mispays, some form of card exposure, shuffle-tracking etc etc. Last edited by ChipWrecked; at PM. Smilies are On. His teammate is, And when that information is passed between players, you can make the case that is colluding, and not a stretch to consider that "cheating". I've seen plenty of players who could count great but gave zero thought to how to blend in or playing at the optimal time and they ended up getting walked off before they could really do any damage. Any places still have for all games? I can understand that frustration, as games today just aren't as good as the 'glory days'. Living in a city with many casinos and tables in close proximity, I have tailored my game for my situation, meaning I exit negative counts wong out very aggressively. Play when other big action is happening. How can thinking be labeled "cheating". Get in and get out ASAP. It really is the casinos responsibility to protect their games, so I don't really have a problem with other players that do so Now, of course, sometimes when you are playing, during the natural course of play, I will run up against a weak dealer and see some hole-cards. If you aren't prepared to bet high, you will have a hard time finding a decent game in a place where you aren't worried about being stabbed on the way to your car. All times are GMT {/INSERTKEYS}{/PARAGRAPH} But many most are still very beatable. Originally Posted by Mr. It's a good idea if you're looking to gamble for fun but it's not a great way to make money in Given your threads about losing 20 Powerball tickets in a row, I don't think card counting is for you. You can get around this typically playing short sessions, but this causes a lot of down time where you are making no money at all, and the casino will still catch you eventually even if you have the best cover and never stay longer than an hour. Jones Find Threads Started by Mr. Edit: Wonging is a gray area imo. I can see some merit to that argument. I'll take the bait. Last edited by browni; at AM. Counts are often bad. I've been playing poker on and off since the boom, but never put in enough work to be a real winner. Advantage play depends on doing something that isn't mainstream. Originally Posted by kewlj. I deal tables and can tell you that it can work but you need to be even more devoted to thinking about not getting caught as you are with being skilled at counting. {PARAGRAPH}{INSERTKEYS}User Name Remember Me? Anyone have any other thoughts on this? With poker, you can exploit bad players in a nice environment for low stakes. One night I set my alarm for 3am to get to Circus Circus just in time for a very weak dealers shift. I am not going to jump up and exit the table, nor am I going to pretend I didn't see and don't have that information. I guess it subjectively comes down to what you consider "unplayable" and what you consider "worth it"? It's physically possible to do and get away with, at least for a while. I play blackjack for a living, my 14th year now. Those that are, aren't worth it. Only in the casino industry's eyes. Which brings us to blackjack. It's just my opinion. Originally Posted by ChipWrecked. Is it worth learning how to card count, and all the intricacies associated with being successful at the game? IMO the only good ways to count are either to Wong in, meaning you only sit when a count is favorable, because you've been counting while standing off to the side, which isn't allowed pretty much anywhere anymore, or to play as part of a team, which is actually cheating, as I see it. It gets tiring, having to concentrate so hard for lengths of time both on the count and your cover. Oh yeah if you want to count, some tipping will definitely help you stay longer. The game is designed to be one on one, player vs. Can I make reliable money doing this? If you can exploit them, go for it. It's easy to learn to count. Forum Rules. Fundamentally I've always been strong, I just suffer from tilt issues. And as for hole-carding I won't go as far as to say cheating, but it is a gray area for me When I relocated to vegas, 8 years ago, I got into some hole-carding for about a 3 months stretch. However this is a sentiment often expressed by older players, who played in an era of better conditions and games. Yes, you can make money, but I wouldn't call it reliable. But it's so difficult to pull off, and easy to protect the game from, it doesn't really matter. The sweet spots in decks are few and far between. How is team play itself cheating? Card counting in BJ can be worth it if you: 1 like to sit at BJ tables and try to hide that you are a counter, especially when it's about the first thing all the pit bosses and eyes in the sky look for I came to poker from low-level counting. I don't see ANY relation between Wonging or team play and bet capping. I frequently track multiple tables, the game I am playing and a neighboring table, looking to jump to a better opportunity with zero downtime. In the same realm as capping a bet. Modern games are mostly unplayable. I identified weak dealers who flashed their hole card and literally learned their schedules and followed them around. This makes poker so superior to counting it's not even close. If I were starting from scratch today, I wouldn't bother. Generally ignoring these aspects poker is a more profitable game. That just was NOT the way I wanted to win or support myself. But with team play, the traditional call in approach, the player being called in is not the one doing the thinking. If you can do that, more power to you. Some blackjack games are more profitable per risk than poker, but these games are rare and often more closely watched. It is difficult to sustain a reasonable winrate for your risk when the casino can notice what you're doing and ask you to leave at any time. So is this for a BJ rule a thing everywhere in Vegas now? Last edited by Mr. But it's unethical. I'm not talking about just reading a book and increasing my edge while betting for fun, but I'm talking seriously learning the game, practicing with software and all that. Originally Posted by browni When you compare to other similar opportunities out there, card counting is a pretty weak advantage play, IMO. Originally Posted by GBV. Well, this statement is just not true. You can forget the Strip, unless you're playing at the highest levels. Why do I want to play negative counts when there are better opportunities close by, like the next table. As I said, it is the casinos responsibility, but for me when you cross over to seeking out that information and weak dealers, you have crossed some sort of line that I am not comfortable with. Jones; at AM. That was the moment I said to myself "what the hell am I doing?